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Krixtal Icefluxor
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Posted - 2014.04.30 13:12:00 -
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"There is only one new female character being added to what is arguably the world's most beloved mythic series. It's as if 51 percent of the population cried out in pain, and was suddenly silenced."
Hey Star Wars -- Where the Hell Are the Women? "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.04.30 13:32:00 -
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Nissui wrote:I'm a bit curious who's left to care after both A] the prequels and B] this week's giant middle finger to anyone who bought into the IP over the last three decades and change.
Tons of folks are "left to care", from the "kids" who actually liked the Prequels, to those of us wanting to cleanse that 3 episode horror from our minds.
Now, define IP (?????) Either it's Internet Provider, or I haven't had enough coffee yet. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.04.30 13:58:00 -
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Nissui wrote:Intellectual property, in this case referring primarily to the gamut of after-Endor novel series.
Do you like Philz? I'm having some Julie's Ultimate this morning.
Definitely not enough coffee. Decent coffee ? Please.....I live in Florida. 
BTW, the Expanded Universe is not being used as canon or anything else apparently.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 14:50:00 -
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Noden Vorpalstar wrote:Why Oh Why do we cry and moan?!
Let's leave the political correct BS, and false intolerance baiting cards out of the work of peoples intellectual property.
And on a side note.. I'm sure there will be more female characters than just one in the next series, as well as some of various alien species.
When the original SW came out in 1977, it was understandable that there was a dearth of female characters in a space opera film. Except for our plucky princess.......and I guess Aunt Beru, who pretty much was just seen cooking in the kitchen......until she got cooked at least.
The world has changed. And that's a roomful of guys in that cast photo, excepting the one new minor character and an aged carrie Fisher, whom I guarantee you will just be sitting around on a couch or something yacking.
Since when does wanting the presence of female characters have anything to do with political correctness ? It's called wanting a realistic proportion of involved character types.
Jar-Jar Binks had more clout than Amidala. And that's sad. Ugh. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.04.30 15:15:00 -
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Nissui wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:If Daisy Riddly is (like many speculate) gonna play Han and Leia's daughter, that means she's Jaina Freaking Solo-Fel., one of the most kick ass characters in the Star Wars Universe. Problem is that nothing on that wiki is canon anymore. While you may indeed be right that Daisy Riddly will play Jaina, it's also possible that there is no Jaina.
"There is no Jaina. Only Zuul."  "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.04.30 15:46:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:In a sense complaining about a lack of female stars actually smacks of "we need moar eye-candy" and is a bit insulting.
No.
THIS is insulting: Sandra Bullock goes from female space heroine and survivalist..........to throwing Tupperware Parties.
I'm a gay male, so my opinion has nothing to do at all with more "eye candy". I'm tired of guys having "all the fun".
And then when 2 women are aggressive in a movie, guys freak out and won't watch. "Thelma and Louise" was castigated by men who could only see it as "women running around out of control". If they had actually watched it, only one of them ever shoots one rapist with one bullet, and that is absolutely it. And folks were calling it a "female blood bath".
20th Century Fox didn't even bother to promote Sigourney Weaver as the heroine of "Alien", for fear that men would not go see it.
But you are right about the "eye candy" thing. That's all guys want. Sandra Bullock couldn't even be a "real woman" in Gravity without them making sure everyone knew she was a bereaved mother-figure.
It's just seriously crazy stuff. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.04.30 16:05:00 -
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....although I guess I must acknowledge that the filmmakers are making this series of movies for pre-pubescent boys, so no icky girls are allowed 
Lucas himself said the prequels were "children's films". "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.04.30 16:18:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:I will only approve of this new Star Wars film if Seth MacFarlane agrees to parody it.
Darth Stewie whacking Nimoy's mailbox   "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.04.30 19:05:00 -
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Noden Vorpalstar wrote:It would be great if we could let writers, producers and filmmakers create without wearing our feelings on our sleeve.
There is enough whining out there of groups who think they are somehow owed something. Poor pity me, Im so different, let me flaunt it for the world to see.
Bottom line; You are not owed spit. Work hard, earn your way.
So, we should all just end film criticism ? And all criticism ?
Yeah, right.
This is a film company working hard to bring us a piece of entertainment.
Who has said we are owed anything ?? We are discussing the short-shrifting of roles for women, especially in genre films.
I sure wish the makers of Terminator Salvation had run the entire script by us first, so as to avoid the financial disaster (and no further interest in the series) they got into with it. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.04.30 19:08:00 -
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Baneken wrote:Pfft, who needs women when we have a "girly flower stick" posing as Darth Vader and Jar Jar to cheer us up ? 
Not anymore. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.04.30 19:14:00 -
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Ian Morbius wrote:Sydney Bristow was 13 years ago. Sure J.J. Abrams has created strong female characters in the past 10 years. Now who were they? He is a cash machine for the industry, and can do no wrong.
I felt he made a fun, energetic lark with the first Trek film, but it showed in the 2nd one that he had indeed never seen an episode of ST before, not even the original series, ever.
That's not who I would hire to be in charge of that....at all.
I wonder if he even saw the original Star Wars ??? "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.01 13:26:00 -
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Webvan wrote:I'm sure that they have binders of women. In walks Lindsay Lohan. In walks Miley Cyrus. In walks Jennifer Love Hewitt. In walks Britney Spears. Welcome to yet another Disney movie!
None of these was ever in a Disney film, except Lindsay Lohan in the rather good "Freaky Friday" remake with Jamie Lee Curtis.
Like the original with Jodie Foster, a great kid's film with a cast led by 2 women (well, one woman and one girl). "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.01 13:30:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Whenever people try and tell me that "people want this" about that kind of thing (typically while trying to say the Wonder Woman movie should ever see daylight), I point them at Catwoman.
Catwoman did not work as there was no Batman. She doesn't really work well alone as a character. Hollywood Execs were too stupid to realize that.
Now, that was "eye candy" only and absolutely. And they took a financial whacking for it. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.01 13:31:00 -
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Noden Vorpalstar wrote:
I disagree. As bad as Terminator: Salvation was, amongst other films. No one has a right to a film makers script if you are not directly involved in the project. And last time I checked the production of a movie production studio is a private business, not a community organizer project.
Tell that to those who Kickstarted the "Veronica Mars" movie. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.01 13:54:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I mean, honestly, the first and probably last female action hero to be well received was Ellen Ripley. And even then they sequel'ed it to death.
Sarah Connor. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.01 15:23:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Anyway, I think probably 85% of people would be bothered by a cast being almost entirely male.
Welp, there is the entire "Expendables" series. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.01 15:25:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
In the second movie? Sure, but the whole "seriously mentally ill" thing was a wrench.
In the first movie she spends the entire time running until the last 10 minutes when she finds her spine.
She never had a reason to need one. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.02 14:36:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:
It's alright holding up SW as some sort of universal SF action movie for all ages and generations, but don't overlook the fact Leia spent a good portion of the final movie semi nude and Amidala was nothing but a womb in waiting (with nice outfits).
That's also the film that sent out harbingers of the badness to come. Mainly Ewoks. So, what's a person to do ?  "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.02 14:45:00 -
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Here is the most observant piece I can find:
This IsnGÇÖt Just About Star Wars: The 5 Dumbest Arguments Against Gender Diversity
"Just because you can spout the names of a few great movies that have great female characters and/or work in spite of a gender imbalance, that doesnGÇÖt mean a thing when looking at the big picture. Maybe your entire top 100 favorite films of all time were all chosen for the great roles for women in each of them. Fantastic, but the numbers donGÇÖt lie. According to a 2013 study by the WomenGÇÖs Media Center, only 16 percent of film protagonists in the 100 top-grossing films of the year were women, and women made up only 33 percent of all characters in those films."
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BTW, the yammering about this particular point has overshadowed everything else about the announcements earlier in the week. Everyone was just really surprised about the paltry female casting.
One thing you younger folks might not be percieving is the fact that in 1977 when Star Wars came out, it was rare....super rare, for a girl to be a Geek, and like things like Star Wars. It just wasn't done. I would say female attendance at SF conventions was maybe 10% of the audience. And authors.........my God, the women back then had to even publish under masculine names or abbreviated names as publishers just "knew"boys would not read SF written by women. C.L. Moore (Catherine). James Tiptree Jr. (Alice Sheldon).
It's a vastly different world now. Utterly. Girls are even a higher percentage of game players than men, for God's sake.
And this year of the 8 Nebula Award Nominees for best Novel, 6 are authored by women! Astounding. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:34:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:
As for credible female protagonists. Has there been one since Fargo?
I'd go for Uma in Kill Bill. But then, she's not really playing a real human being. She's playing a cartoon. But it's still amazing anyway.
But yes, Marge was an amazing character in Fargo ("Oh, I just thought I was going to barf.....")  "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:36:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Girls are even a higher percentage of game players than men, for God's sake. Is this really true? As far as I know from mumble I've been the only girl in fleets I've participated in, except for one. Or maybe EVE isn't representative of this statistic? (Or maybe I haven't been in enough fleets..)
Kandy Krush Saga.
Farmville. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.03 19:40:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:. For example, Seven Samurai and Rashomon are two of my favorite films and neither have any women of significance. Neither would be made any better by trying to shoehorn a strong female lead/support in.
As far as I know, "aggressive women" were verbotten in old Japan. They would be inaccurate in such historically based stories.
Lets just say SF is quite a bit more flexible. Ripley was changed from male casting to female without one single word change in the script. It's not really that hard. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.04 13:36:00 -
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Ian Morbius wrote:Always liked Gena Rowlands as Gloria Swenson in Gloria (1980). One hard ex-mistress of a mobster.
Whatever you do, do not miss Miss Swanson in "Sunset Boulevard". It's sorta like a David Lynch film but from the 1950s. Big influence on him. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.04 13:39:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:People say "girls this" and "girls that" in these discussions, but when talking about the males it's "men this" and "men that". It's such an ingrained piece of sexism in our society that almost nobody ever notices until it's pointed out to them.
It's all we had to notice until about 1970 or so. It's still ingrained horribly. Go to any baby and parenting site, and everything is still blue for boys and pink for girls. Period. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.04 13:41:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Ripley was changed from male casting to female without one single word change in the script. So when Lambert lunges at Ripley and screams "You b+¡tch!", that was improv? It probably was, actually.
Indeed, but that quick action was in the Director's Cut, and not what was presented in the theatrical release. But it's an inportant 5 seconds IMHO. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:18:00 -
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Slade Trillgon wrote:I find that many of the strong roles for women are found in movies based on real women and their trials, tribulations and successes. The movie Songcatcher is a good example, but even then she is still painted as women that needs man's assistance in stereotypical situations. I know a little about the lady the movie is about and I am pretty sure she was not as soft as the movie made the character out to be. Do not get me wrong, she was no pushover in the movie.
I actually saw that film ! One of my ex's wanted to watch it. It's good, but man, you sure have to have the stomach for super-primitive hillbilly spiritual songs. Surprising how one can hear the European, especially Irish influences in the American Backwoods Songbook. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:22:00 -
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Social Media doesn't really do much to help the advancement of women especially in how they "headline" things.
Funny article that normalizes the silly headlines
"It's a bit nippy out !! Rihanna shows off her nipples.....Again !!"
changed to: "Woman goes to sports event. Wears top."
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Posted - 2014.05.04 14:26:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote: Men can play any role except a woman. ________________________________
That's so very true. They can come close, but there is always going to be a "tell". That Adam's Apple is hard to get rid of indeed. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

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Posted - 2014.05.04 16:20:00 -
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Post-Partum Patient: "Is it a boy or a girl ?"
Graham Chapman: "Isn't it a bit early to start imposing roles on it ?" "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
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